Let's look at the hilarious reality that is this "vBulletin 4 upgrade" bonanza and which I have not heard discussed yet. We are all to pay a multiple of annual maintenance fees, in advance, to buy into the vBulletin beta software release and become beta test guinea pigs on our dime. Right now, even spending the money doesn't get you into the alpha/beta program to see what you may need to do to upgrade. I've heard rumors and plans about vBulletin gold being planned for release MONTHS ago as early as early Q2 or as late as early Q3. As of right now in mid Q4, customers are being held at gunpoint to buy ALPHA software! There isn't even a beta and Ray has warned that the "beta" is very raw. Now how much money does anyone want to bet that vBulletin 4 will be rushed to market in order to make sure that the paying masses don't lynch the people responsible for selling them on a dream with no specific promises? My friends, as we all know, once your money is out the window the incentive to perform is usually significantly diminished. If Internet Brands thinks I'm going to pay for ticket system help because I'm going to need it during this extensive beta testing period, they are kidding themselves. Here is another funny question to ask. What is the road map for version 5? What does that include? In the event that version 4 takes forever and is a disaster in beta, does that mean I'll expect the need to release version 5 in order to pay the developers to stay on "for the good of us all and the future of the produt we all love?" Let me know where to send my resume if Internet Brands is interested in long term success and a viable business plan that will make money and continue to have reasoanbly good relationship with its customer base.