About its competitors? I mean, I hear a lot from XenForo advocates about how XenForo's downfall will lead to less competition for vBulletin and Invision Power Board and them doing things considered as 'anti customer' or not in the best interests of forum admins. But I'm sorry, I don't buy it. vBulletin and Internet Brands are practically never going to listen to anyone. Heck, vBulletin under Kier and co never really listened to anyone either. I doubt they even care about how to improve forums or what XenForo is up to, and I suspect vBulletin 5 will practically never be 'great' regardless of what market pressure it's under. And is Invision Power Board really doing anything that wrong? Yes there are a lot of things I want them to change, but I think they know what they're doing as far as what direction forums need to be taken in. Admit it, standalone forums aren't really the be all and end of all of communities now, and the concept of a suite is actually good one. I use most of their software (blogs, gallery, downloads, etc) and I like it. I like not having to find third party add ons for useful site features, not having to maintain and link multiple third party scripts like I had to with vBulletin and not having to go through a bunch of coding changes whenever I upgrade to a new version. Or losing features just because I upgraded from one version to another. Seriously, this obsession with minimal features and making up the difference with add ons can go to hell, only geeks and programmers like the concept, the average Joe wants features. And what exactly is XenForo really inspiring? How is it really some kind of revolution? It's decent, but that's it. I see pretty good forum software with a fairly average style and one or two features other scripts don't have. The only reason it even caught on was because of who made it, admit it. If Kier and Mike weren't involved? Probably would have died alongside Burning Board and all those other solutions people and groups are working on. Yes, competition is a good thing. That's an advantage of a capitalist system. There's a reason I similarly dislike anyone stupid enough to think the world would be better if there was only one forum software/games console/computer brand. But XenForo isn't a revolution. It isn't some kind of saviour of all forum software. If it fails, it won't mean vBulletin and Invision Power Board will somehow go downhill and make all the wrong choices (the former has already made them all even with XenForo as competition) Someone will come in and fill the gap with new paid forum software, I've already seen quite a few recent attempts. If forum scripts out now aren't pleasing everyone, hey, someone'll probably eventually make one that will. As for the community... well, considering XenForo's fans are basically the equivalent of a bunch of disgruntled forum members going off to start their and bad mouthing their original staff in the process, I couldn't care less if it falls. And I hope any new software attracts a new crowd, not disgruntled people from vB's support forum.