Digital Ocean demands removal of legal content.

Discussion in 'Domains, Hosting and Servers' started by BamaStangGuy, Jan 8, 2014.

  1. BamaStangGuy

    BamaStangGuy Administrator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2009
    Messages:
    769
    Likes Received:
    549
    Location:
    Huntsville, AL
    Code Monkey likes this.
  2. Alfa1

    Alfa1 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2009
    Messages:
    303
    Likes Received:
    196
    I do not see a problem with DO at all and certainly nothing alarming. The blog is obviously malicious, the title is false, the guy is taking social chat comments out of context and trying to depict the guy as negatively as possible. That certainly is harassment.
     
  3. BamaStangGuy

    BamaStangGuy Administrator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2009
    Messages:
    769
    Likes Received:
    549
    Location:
    Huntsville, AL
    LOL you really do know everything don't you? Well, here is to the day that you give editorial control to your hosting company.
     
    Bundy and Code Monkey like this.
  4. Code Monkey

    Code Monkey Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2013
    Messages:
    230
    Likes Received:
    170
    I think I am in agreement with @BamaStangGuy here. It is troubling and it's pretty obvious, if all facts presented are true, that this was a wrongful use of position as a favor for a friend.
     
  5. Alfa1

    Alfa1 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2009
    Messages:
    303
    Likes Received:
    196
    Yeah, thats just the thing. IMO the guy has proven that he can not be trusted and will twist the truth. Therefore I do not believe his statements.
     
  6. Alfa1

    Alfa1 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2009
    Messages:
    303
    Likes Received:
    196
    Sure, I can be wrong, but it sure as hell looks malicious to me.
    There are limits to what a hosting company can allow. And that is getting tighter and tighter. Harassment still is illegal. Some hosts (especially the really cheap ones) are very strict about anything that comes close to law breaches. Its not like their fees are high enough to protect high risk clients.
    But it indeed does raise the valid question of what they will and will not allow you to host.
     
  7. BamaStangGuy

    BamaStangGuy Administrator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2009
    Messages:
    769
    Likes Received:
    549
    Location:
    Huntsville, AL
    Then stop making factual comments like this:

    In other words, you should have never replied with what you said in your first post.
     
  8. AWS

    AWS Administrator

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    1,616
    Likes Received:
    692
    Location:
    Joliet, IL U.S.A.
    First Name:
    Bob
    It is troubling when a hosting provider decides what is and what isn't good enough to publish.
     
    Bundy, Alfa1 and BamaStangGuy like this.
  9. Alfa1

    Alfa1 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2009
    Messages:
    303
    Likes Received:
    196
    Of course I should have. You stated that I thought I know everything. So I replied that I am not infallible. No one is. But I do not believe I am wrong in this case. There is no objectivity in that blog whatsoever.
    There are way too many red flags to believe the anonymous blogger. The guy is doing his utmost best to paint the Googler negatively, while the evidence given is thin at best. The Googler indicates that the blogger is trying to manipulate the chat.
    The title 'Googler speaks out...' is not correct, because the Googler has not publicly spoken out. Yet the title implies he did. The man made a social chat comment. There was no interview. I'm not sure if you have a chat function on your site or not, but in general chat comments are to be taken lightly or tongue in cheek. The meatspace chat is no different. Its a crazy ass chat were many people mess around. Its not a serious conversation area. Point in case: At this moment one of the chatters is pointing a riffle at the cam. Not exactly the place to go for a serious statement and get all pissy about.
    So where is the whole chatlog? Why is that not posted instead of cherry picked lines?
    It's just too much bullshit to believe.
     
  10. BamaStangGuy

    BamaStangGuy Administrator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2009
    Messages:
    769
    Likes Received:
    549
    Location:
    Huntsville, AL
    Oh jesus. If the guy makes a statement on the internet that is publicly speaking out. You are now just playing semantics which is nothing but crap. It isn't up to you or I to determine whether it is legal or not. The manner in which Digital Ocean approached this however is dangerous and something no hosting company should do.

    I honestly don't give a shit if they guy that wrote the blog is right or not. That isn't really the point. The point is that Digital Ocean will make you edit your blog post or remove it if it goes against something that they think is right or wrong. No legal process at all. Simply an email to them with a complaint and then its on you to either edit your content or not.

    That is the issue. I figured that was clear. I don't really care about this guy being right or wrong. Even if he is wrong, there are legal avenues that should be addressed and Digital Ocean should not be the judge, jury and executioner.
     
  11. Alfa1

    Alfa1 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2009
    Messages:
    303
    Likes Received:
    196
    Actually it is. You can get all riled up about this, while you base your opinion solely on the tainted information that this guy provides. I'm just not buying anything this troll sells.
     
  12. AWS

    AWS Administrator

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    1,616
    Likes Received:
    692
    Location:
    Joliet, IL U.S.A.
    First Name:
    Bob
    I don't think it was so much what was posted in the article. I think it is based on the reaction of the host. No matter who did what or who was wrong the host sided with the person the blog post was about.

    In any case something is wrong with what the host did. I'm sure there is another side of the story that we'll never know. The fact remains the host did tell him to remove the post or else. That is probably the only fact in all of this.
     
    BamaStangGuy likes this.
  13. BamaStangGuy

    BamaStangGuy Administrator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2009
    Messages:
    769
    Likes Received:
    549
    Location:
    Huntsville, AL
    Because we all know we get answers if we just accept one sides story as truth and don't dig any deeper for answers. :rolleyes:
     
  14. WEfail

    WEfail Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2012
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    179
    Brent, let me know what you need. Maybe I got a rig that you could use :p
     
  15. VICE

    VICE Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2013
    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    56
    Wow, so Digital Ocean is a free speech regulator here?
    That's what sucks about big business and soon to be big business.
    Hosts should only take down content under court order.
     
  16. WEfail

    WEfail Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2012
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    179
    Too costly to fight people with tons of money. Easier to lose a customer paying $50 a month than to spend time with lawyers, meetings and mitigating losses.

    EDIT: I spent around 5k in legal fees defending myself and 1 forum I had because I didnt follow the simple rule of waiting for a court order. I assisted the police in a criminal case by releasing data to them and they wanted me to hand over the server hard drives. I didn't comply and following day I had to have lawyers.

    Easier to dump the trouble makers.
     
  17. CM30

    CM30 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2012
    Messages:
    901
    Likes Received:
    500
    Except in this case, there's a significant amount of debate about whether it was actually the person mentioned in the article who complained, or even if the company got a formal complaint at all (especially given how they apparently knew the 'victim' on another community they ran).

    That's not so much fear of being sued as much as playing judge, jury and executioner with customers.
     
  18. Jordan

    Jordan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2013
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Canada
    Lots of drama here.
    Host should not alter or remove websites unless they get a DMCA report, or court order. Simple as that. Even still, people have the right to fight it. Looks like Digital Ocean is not something I will be running towards.
     
  19. River

    River Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2014
    Messages:
    7
    Likes Received:
    1
    First Name:
    River
    Looks like the content could have (possibly) been defamatory. DO wanted to have the account remove it before possible legal action was taken. Sucks that they are doing that, and the post looked fine, but, I can see where DO is coming from.
     
  20. Terry

    Terry Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2010
    Messages:
    112
    Likes Received:
    66
    Just wipe the shit off your shoe and move to a different host ..
     

Share This Page