vbulletin.org (day after tomorrow)

If vbulletin 4.0 is not good enough for its own site, what makes it good enough for the end consumer?

 

I don't know you tell me? Laziness? what's the end consumer? is the last ever person/board to ever upgrade to 4.0? lol maybe we are in trouble if the org is the very last site to make the jump, leap of faith so to speak. lol

Be a little bit more specific kevin, your not making a whole lot of sense.

 

It's pretty much just as bad as if vBulletin.com stayed on 3.6 but still promoted and recommended the use of 4.0. It just doesn't make sense.

Why promote a product that you yourself are not even willing to use? If their excuse is that "vBulletin.org is too customized" then that just shows that they don't embrace vBulletin's extensibility. If making some customization bounds you to that version, then who would want to customize?

 

well, I've been saying this for years and asked the same questions except. You don't get an infraction for it where people such as my self gain 360 infractions for touching on those questions which they don't like answering.

The excuses down the line where "don't have the time" "We have lives outside vbulletin" "the scripts are all tied into together". You pick one, there are a list of excuses and half assed replies that made the reply/troll assumption threads.

 

vbulletin.org should rid the current administrators and bring in a paid backend administrator to do the tasks of upgrading etc. Keeping the sister site uptodate shows that the software (latest) is the software of choice and not past software which have remained for the past 3 odd years at this site.

 

I agree 100%. vB.org was the biggest part of me choosing vBulletin other than the fact that it was the best system (IMHO) at the time I dived in with my first license.

vB.org has always been a gray area with officially unofficial support. Yeah does that make sense? vB support says to disable all addons before they'll even troubleshoot an issue with you. Yet the robustness of the vBulletin ecosystem (which includes the .org) is touted as a selling factor. vB.org isn't officially supported but won't let you download unless your a licensed customer.

WTH? You cannot have your cake and eat it to. You either verify licensed users and test modifications submitted to make sure they don't break core vBulletin functionality or present security risks then support boards with mods from the .org installed OR spin it off to a separate site that Jelsoft has nothing to do with, don't verify licensing, and don't tout as part of a sales pitch.

If we buy that the license check on the .org is to prevent piracy, How hard would it be for them to open an API to allow third party sites to run license checks against an email address? Not very hard at all and it would according to the .org's stance help prevent piracy. Brandon over at vB Setup manually went and verified that people were actually licensed users to help prevent vB piracy. Thankless work but at least he didn't add to the problem of letting anyone download vB mods.

With the new pricing structure I fear that by vB 5 were going to see a lot of hacks and templates not being updated as who's going to pay all that money to buy a new license just to release free addons?

 

That is something I never understood. They have a sister site, pretty much almost run by them, and it's running an old vB version, there is no excuse to that. You are supposed to encourage your customers to upgrade and as you said, take advantage of the new features on your product.

 

My vote for the most awesome post of the week! : )

 

The end consumer is the person who buys the product. It does not matter when they bought it, or anything else.

Lets say that Ford put out a new car or truck. But 1/2 the people who work at Ford would not use it, would you?

That is the way I see VBulletin 4. If internet brands is not going to use it on their own sites, why should I?

 

LOL I know what the consumer is and what it means. I just (out of jokery) emphasized on the end consumer part you mention and thought it described vbulletin.org down to a T. I still didn't get what you point was at that point but now I do.

All I have to say is we are wrong for hitting on these questions to compensate for the admins laziness to upgrade. That's what we are told, that's what we should believe because anything else and you are in troll territory.

Anyway. org doesn't interest me in the way it used to but maybe one day I may gain some motivation and throw in some suggestions. And, in turn, be classed as the troll.

 

You mean someone has taken your place as their resident troll already :unhunh:

 

That is not difficult to do. Post one wrong thing and your hammered back in place.

 

I was never a troll. Most of the suggestions I made there where eventually implemented because I was correct and they weren't and couldn't think outside the round table with their 3 year old discussions.

The reason the graphic area is flourishing over there was because I started posting custom graphics and could see the potential of advancement in this area where they couldn't. More people started posting graphic sets after that and now it's a self sustaining area. There's nothing trolling about that But yeah I guess someone else can pick up the reigns and bang their head against the wall.

 

So a troll means setting the example then!?! A HAH!!

j/k Shelley. I certainly do not know you well enough to start labeling you. I've called 1 person a troll...and they've long left the premises.

 

That's it!! :yes:

 

The moderators set the example.

Everyone else is a troll or spammer.

 

I posted my opinions on vBulletin.org here:

My Suggestions for vBulletin.org (when it upgrades to v4) - vBulletin.org Forum

Now the question is whether they'll get with the times somewhat.

 

I usually avoid threads like this since they quickly becomes just another rant, rave and name calling thread for the same axe grinding member(s). However, a couple of points before I leave again.

vbulletin.org does not have any access to the licencing system information. The way the licence "check" works is a scheduled task that directly updates the members usergroup field in the vb.org database. The only people that could provide what you mention would be IB, not vb.org.

Im not going to quote every instance of this common misconception from the thread, this just happens to be the last one I read - vb.org is not a showcase forum, any more than the many other IB sites are. It runs what it needs to, and will upgrade as and when deemed necessary. There is, and never has been, any dire need to use 3.7 or 3.8.

 

Actually paul. that is exactly what vbulletin.org is. A showcase forum. As a modifications and graphics site vbulletin.org is a place to show people what the software potential can be, not what it could be and nothing to show for it down to your pure laziness. What IB needs to do is remove you and your kind due to your lack of innovation, creativity. Your burnt out, it happens, do the right thing and step down because as I see it now your basically useless in the admin team and have been since you joined. Heck, you don't need me to tell you this, you know this yourself.

You cannot see the potential, do what danny done and step down. Let someone with passion to maintain this place because your reminisce to a rock attached to a chain weighing down the poor swimmer trying to get to the other side. In otherwords your time at the org is now redundant.

Another pathetic excuse to condone your laziness.

 

WOW harsh words.